Quest documentation: wheel and lottery

No need to talk to me, talk to the team. Hit the blue reply button at the very bottom, instead of the grey arrowed one below a message.

It always surprises me how people who just walked in seem to know it all.
The team and the core community will carry this project forward, don’t worry about that. The ones who can’t see beyond a gadget game are not important.

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No one really is upset about Quest except for a few people that tried to game it. It was a fun little experiment until the airdrop greed mentality people jumped on like screaming babies. I remember reading someone complaining the wheel slice was not proportional to the odds. Very content to hold my BTC lotto chances for as long as it takes.

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Any chance of revising the total number of lotto tickets that start the BTC lottery draw? It’s been 4 months since the quest started and we are only at 3.4k out of 21k. The number has barely moved in the last few weeks and it feels like players have lost interest.

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Seems the team lost interest in upkeeping the game. Would be nice for a decision to be made to squash the game or do something… it’s quite embarrassing in the abandoned state it is in right now …

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We’re still maintaining it for now, because we have plans to do a full second launch in a month or so, once we’ve built the new website and documentation to prepare for new users.

All Lotto you’ve won will still be valid, it’s just a little longer of a wait until the drawing.

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This feels very concrete and accountable

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Could you lower the spin fee? Prv has nearly doubled in price since launch …maintenance imo is keeping up with economic conditions that govern the game… and to be blunt the spin fee was added to “battle a bot net” which I think isn’t a problem anymore so perhaps making the spin fee extremely cheap, maybe even free, would bring interest back to the game.

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That’s an interesting thought, I’ll tag @elena here and she should be able to answer that.

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Hey Matt, I understand your concern, but I think “battle a bot net” will become a problem again if we make spins free or extremely cheap. Especially now, when the BTC price is $55K, and the price for all other crypto is also increasing.

However, we will try to make spins more affordable. I will keep you updated here: Privacy Quest update: More ways to get QUEST

Thank you for waiting! :blush:

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Could you disclose evidence that shows a botnet actually attacked the contest ? I’m sort of having a hard time believing that narrative as incognito has very little to no attention besides the tight knit community we have here.

Also it is common practice to adjust fees for things as prices move up, just like withdrawal fees on exchanges for smaller cap coins… when the coin grows larger in value the exchange reduces the fee taken in that native currency, which is a practice that imo should be implemented if you want users to use the contest again…because no one is right now.

@elena

So you are actually suggesting they developed a game, while the developers had more important things to do as well, and once it started, without any incentive from outside decided to spend even more time on the game to prevent non-existing abuse, and for that same reason increased the fees, coz… coz what? There was an opportunity to earn, they overlooked before?

I really wish people would move on and not waste team time over this. Use it if you like/trust it, skip it if you don’t.

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@Matt6412 @elena @aaron While I didn’t doubt the motivation for the spin fee, it’s getting unclear what the intention was in making the game and there’s been a real lack of clear communication throughout and seemingly no exit strategy.

Some, particularly @Jamie , have stated the contest was for insiders to have fun. They have even derided new people for daring to question the project and team. Unfortunately, the game has also been positioned as a way to broaden the reach and adoption of the project. If the latter is true, then it’s obviously failed.

A fake botnet attack seems pretty unlikely to me. A slightly more likely, but still doubtful, situation is that the prizes were not set aside before the start of the game and now are unaffordable. My guess would be that the game was badly planned but the expectation was that it would only last a few months, (because it would attract new people to the project and run its course quickly). In any case, it’s still eroding trust in the team and project to have it drag out so long with no end in sight.

As an aside, @Jamie, you’ve repeatedly told people to ‘move on’ and stop wasting the team’s time… I’ve got to ask

What exactly do you mean by this?

What are you hoping to accomplish with these statements and why do you continue to respond on these threads with a dismissive and rude tone?

Why don’t you move on and let the team respond to these concerns?

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I am more interested in Core development than game development. Adding privacy mode to crypto transactions is core development, the game was just for fun.

Having the team waste time on explaining themselves over a game, does nothing for core development.

I have also suggested to just remove the game from the app, activate that BTC wheel and get it over with.

Pretty sure the loudest people will vanish after the 1 BTC has been distributed. They are not here for the project.

I will repeat this as often as I like. We live in a free world, at least I do.

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Jamie is like a broken record, except worse, because she actively takes any available opportunity to repeat the same narcissistic tirade about how things were better when she wasn’t inconvenienced by reading questions from new people. The same tired narrative every time. All over this forum I see Jamie making snarky, presumptuous, and passive aggressive comments while policing the forum to fit her agenda.

  • “Ignore the problem and focus on more important things”
  • “It was fun until all the new people came in”
  • “Those people don’t love the project like I love project”

It amazes me that someone could make such unproductive and antisocial statements AND slander other users as “greedy” / “know-it-all” / “wasting team time” AND receive supportive :+1: for this behavior from community leaders.

I cannot express in words how much I appreciate the people who have shared real concerns AND constructive ideas for addressing this lootbox problem.

Perhaps, the Team could wrap this up in a fair way.

Suggestion:

Step 1. Give notice that the QUEST is ending and an end date.

Step 2. Once QUESTs are no longer able to be acquired, then allow them to be spent for free or a nominal amount of PRV and provide prizes proportional to the number of QUESTS spun.

Example: About 1/6 of the total BTC Lotto Tickets necessary to trigger the BTC Lotto have been distributed. The Team could instead offer 1/6 of a BTC to whoever gets selected out of those who have BTC Lotto Tickets.

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And you got all that from just 14 hours of reading since you joined Jan 5th.

I am glad you share my sentiment though. I can’t express how I feel about the moaners and how a game that was started with good intentions got so rudely abused so quickly, it went all down the drain right after it started, either.

The team isn’t always happy with what I say, but I am sure I am voicing what they are thinking but can’t say, from time to time. They have to be nice all the time. Despite having left the team months ago, I will defend the team whenever I feel it is necessary.

I have been around long enough (since testnet) to know their only mistake is to have faith in human nature, in good behavior. They come up with fun stuff for the community which then gets abused, and results in spending way more hours in dealing with things that are not related to core development than anticipated.

Airdrop
abused, drained team resources in hours of having to manage it, from start to finish.
Competition for transactions made with user-created coins
The idea was to have the coin creators more actively promote their project, which would result in more users of that project, which would result in more transactions made with this user-created coin. This would also promote the “create your own coin in minutes” feature of the Incognito project. Nice one don’t you think?
It was abused again. Someone with a yet empty project promised someone else part of the reward if he could airdrop the coin of that empty project to his community.
Wheel and Lottery
Fun treasure hunt game to celebrate 1st year anniversary with the community and promote the project.
Abused again. Instead of putting time in coming up with phrases for new chests, the team had to put time in adjusting the code to make it harder for the abusers to actually use the tokens they had collected in an abusive way.

Having to do that was bad enough. But that was months ago, and yet we are still here bothering the team with the wheel not being a correct representation, about the odds of winning being off, about proof of what ever made their action valid.

I’d rather see the team announce the next step in decentralizing the project got implemented, or another bridge has been added, or cold wallets can be used, than announce any improvement of the game.

So yes, where it concerns the game I will stand by what I said before “there are more important things to focus on”

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@Jamie it is admirable how you defend the team and I can understand why you feel the way you do…that being said though the quest part of this project really needs to be put to bed so that those moaners can be put to bed and we can all move on from this fiasco…You know I adore you and your posts but indeed even now your time is being taken up with having to answer and defend the team about this whole fiasco…and I know you do it from your heart but really they need to put this thing down and like you said they have plenty of more urgent matters to tend to… :sunglasses:

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Agree with the desire to put this fiasco to bed. Disagree that any of Jamie’s time is being taken or with your defense of them. The act of response is voluntary, thus granted not taken, and I don’t see value from such responses a we’ve seen from them to anyone but the responder, i.e., they do it for themselves.

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I am not in favor of keeping this thing going, that is not what I am rooting for. As mentioned, end it and move on.

It is not my time that is being wasted, but precious team hours. I can spend my time any way I want, they have to juggle between answering questions and developing the system.

Again, spending their time on debating this wheel app, is a waste of their time.

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sighs…I know…I know… :sunglasses:

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