Rent required stake for pnode

@Support can we get some clarity here please?

Sorry @sjo114 but Peter is no longer with Incognito…He was let go off along with the rest of the growth team if you were not aware…so you will have to DM @Support instead…sorry… :sunglasses:

@Jamie is correct. Once the sale of pnodes ended, so did the option to have the team restake your node for you with their funds. Also, hard resets for them is also no longer an option. So, if you buy a used pnode, the original owner will still have access to that account assuming they kept the keys. So be weary of buying one off someone you don’t know.

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Tell it to the team.

In my opinion that is just what they are working on, back to the core of the project.

All information is here on the forum. Forget about Telegram for info, that is just a hangout.

Reading the whitepaper, using the search engine will be a good start.
Keep in mind Incognito is not a finished product yet. Stay tuned to see it grow into some thing big.

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Thanks for the feedback @Jamie and I hear ya. I guess my point is there are core tenets that aid in the adoption and usage of a software or tool. Documentation plays a significant role especially dealing with highly technical topics… The Documentation should have a natural and easy to follow flow. New users shouldn’t have to randomly poke around to find what’s important and what isn’t. It should be naturally presented in that manner.

It is my opinion that docs should be a main focus as it will aid in adoption because newbies will understand what incognito is, what it does, how it does, and where it’s going. That is not currently easily discernable and leads many away from this tool. Just read the comments about incognito on different social sites and the feedback is similar. Lack of transparency. Lack of information. Information may be here but it takes ALOT of time for a diligent person to connect all of the necessary dots.

Finally If it were easy for me to find the key players and their roles I’d probably at them but that hasn’t been easy either. I do like the concept but it’s taking alot of energy to figure out how and where to start.

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@hustlenerd I agree with you. I can go to a dozen projects that have better websites when I hit the main page. I’ve been with this project since last June, and I can tell you first hand youre not wrong. That being said. I dont think its malicious. I truly think it has come from a place of a good intention growing too fast. They have tried to adapt on the fly and have always fallen short. But, its simply because it wasn’t ready in the first place. This step back is annoying. But, realistically, it’s the best move. Get your ducks in a row and then learn from youre mistakes. The idea here is solid. Once its actually ready to go, I’ll be the first one to hammer them about how to actually market something. Thats what I have been doing for a living for over 15 years

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You mistakenly presuppose that new users and growth are desired. Recent events indicates the opposite (note that this is not a judgment, merely a statement of fact)

Interesting statement. Based on some things that are easily observable you raise great questions… What is incognito true mission statement?

Either new users and growth are desired or the content on the about us page and other pages found here contain total bullshit about the mission and incognito is a scam that will eventually collapse with a few running off with the bag. Exhibit #1, “2020 - Onward: To a diverse community of builders”…

Are you telling the what and why type statement presented here are bullshit?

Are you telling me that incognito can be sustainable without any growth?

Why would incognito be a public facing product if it is intended for a select few?

Does @detved speak for incognito?

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I am constantly amazed at how many people don’t read/search the forum and end up with such huge misconceptions of this project. They cry for decentralization but then cry for customer service. One has to do their own DD before they do anything in DeFi , that sometimes means asking and asking again and dealing with sudden unexpected change.
As for those staking/unstaking/ restaking, I wonder WTF. Short term thinking there. Why stake if a few months later you unstake? Long term project here. Anyone that bought a Pnode has made back the cost and them some. If you self staked your pnode you made even more.
Summary : the power of Incognito is NOT as a mixer but as a platform for private trades. Pulling your crypto in and out is NOT what the project is set up for. Holding PRV outside of Incognito makes little to no sense right now.

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@Support any clarity?

So I have a useless piece of hardware now?

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Unless you restake, the obvious answer is yes. Sucks you can’t get the initial split again.

No, I don’t speak for incognito.

I also did not say that no growth would ever be desired, it’s just seemingly not desired at this point in the project.

Recently, there was too much growth, too quickly.

Good points in general but consider that decentralization and transparency would obviate the need for support in a lot of cases.

Also, when there is documentation it’s understandable that people think it’s up to date/accurate. I would also get annoyed if I read the docs, based my decisions on them, and later found out that I needed to have read all announcements and searched the forum threads to know how wrong my decisions were…

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The app makes it seem like you still can do rented stake. What a joke. Will post video smashing my useless hardware to pieces. Once Andrey surprise announced on a community call that I randomly happened to be watching that slashing would be implemented shortly, I unstaked my PRV. The capital risk was not justifiable anymore. Team is extremely reckless and irresponsible when it comes to communicating with the community.

I’m confused. You had your node fully staked yourself? If so, you can restake it. If they were staking it, why did you unstake it? In either case, why would you destroy it if it works still?

Doesn’t he remind you of someone?

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Lmao omg. Well I wouldn’t go that far. It still had cost money to get them that I wouldn’t destroy them. Anyways I brought up to support and founder that when mine unstaked today that it still had contact [email protected] for rented stake. Hoping they will make an exception. Personally I feel that since that was a possibility because we purchased the hardware from them, that it should stay that way. Understood if they stopped selling them, that cuts their liability. But the current owners should be able to carry on.

And dude don’t destroy it lol.

I copied and pasted my text from another string for it speaks on this string as well…

Okay, my issue with the whole Node orders being suspended is not so much that it was suspended for well it can be I guess started back up at some future date when the logistics permit. The issue that I have with the whole pnode, vnode, funded staking, and self staking is this…As we all know the pnodes were sold with the premise that they were funded by Incognito and well the purchaser of the pnode could upon taking possession of their pnode change the status from funded stake to self staked and well if they then decided to revert the process once more they could go from the self staked status to Incog funded stake by simply reaching out to the powers that be at Incognito…Now that was the policy at one time and the policy was suddenly changed to that once you unstaked a pNode from Incog funded staking status to a self staked funding status you could no longer reverse the process back to Incog funded stake status as you could at one time. Now ironically take note that this change in policy took place shortly after the firing of the growth team and even more specifically the letting go of @Peter…those of you who have been around for a minute know that Peter handled a lot of the pNode matters, which I believe included following up with sales of the pNodes and doing transfers of key assignments to pNodes that had been sold in private transactions between parties…something that as well is no longer supported by Incognito…It seems to me that Peter basically handled a big part of the project, meaning the logistics behind the pNodes, basically, he was the point person when it came to the pNodes, and well with his sudden departure that seems to have all fallen apart. So here we are with some members having unstaked their pNode and now wishing to have Incog restake them for they cannot at this time self stake their pNodes for whatever reason they individually might have and well the current policy being what it is it will not be done. So basically as one member put it…unless they self stake their pNode the pNode basically will be an overpriced paperweight.

Now as stated some of the members for whatever reason do not have the 1750 in PRV that is required to self stake. There arises for me the second issue. The amount required to self stake a node…period…whether pNode or vNode…1750 PRV at let’s say $2.50USD per PRV would cost the owner of the node $4,375 USD to stake a node whether it be pNode or vNode. Now I do not know about the rest of you but that is a pretty penny to come up with, to begin with, aside from then having to tie up said funds in said pNode or vNode. Now when this project first began I believe their was no self staking as to the pNodes at first…but subsequently there was a change in policy and self staking was permitted as this post by Peter in March of last year clearly states and I quote:

Peter

Mar '20

Hi everyone, you can use your own 1750 PRV to stake for the pNode from today.
Also see: You have an app update: 3.6.3.2

Now if we go back and take a look at the price of PRV at that time…it was in the ballpark of about 0.55 cents per PRV…so 1750PRV at said price comes to a total of $962.50USD. Today’s price is wayyyy more than what it cost in March of last year to well basically put up the required 1750 in PRV that is needed to self stake a pNode or a vNode. Anyone having had the good fortune of having been around in those early days of the project and self staking pNodes or vNodes at that time has made out like a bandit. The question to ask then is the funding amount based on a dollar figure or a prv figure. How was the initial amount of PRV required to self stake determined, and does that amount in any way take into account the price of PRV at that time? Does the subsequent price change in PRV since then have had a possible effect on the required amount of PRV needed to self stake and if not, why not?

So having added my two cents to this string I would appreciate input or a response from the powers that be at Incognito and well anyone else’s opinion for that matter. In the meantime stay frosty and go Incog!!!.. :100: :partying_face: :sunglasses:

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Hey guys, it’s a pretty busy week because of 3 big releases in a row. I’m going to make a post for things related to node issues support and new pNode policy. Hope that it may help clear up the confusion.

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